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296: Flipping Away From Leadership; with Jenny Dempsey

About this episode

Getting laid off can scramble more than your finances. It can shake your identity, your confidence, and the story you’ve been told about what “success” in customer support leadership is supposed to look like. That’s why this conversation with Jenny Dempsey hit so hard: she went from a clear leadership path in customer experience to two years of uncertainty, experimenting with consulting, and rebuilding from a place that felt anything but predictable.

We talk about the moment she realized a leadership title no longer matched her values. Jenny shares what it was like to apply for individual contributor roles with 20 years of experience, get judged as “overqualified,” and wrestle with the temptation to downplay her background just to get hired. We also unpack a healthier approach: owning the choice, leading without the org-chart label, and focusing on skills that actually create impact like clear communication, customer empathy, and making work easier for the team.

Then we zoom out to the unexpected parallel that ties it all together: her furniture flipping business. The product is different, but the customer journey is the same. Setting expectations, choosing the right channel, giving progress updates, and protecting trust when timelines are long. Charlotte puts it simply: silence kills trust. If you’re navigating layoffs, a career pivot, burnout, or a non-linear support career path, you’ll leave with practical mindset shifts and a better way to tell your story.

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Jenny Dempsey

Transcript

Charlotte Ward: 0:13

Hello and welcome to episode 296 of the Customer Support Leaders Podcast. I'm Charlotte Ward. Today, welcome Jenny Dempsey talking about flipping away from a leadership career. I'd like to welcome back today. Jenny Dempsey, Jenny, it is so lovely to have you back. It's been such a long time since we spoke on the podcast, and I have seen you in person since then, which maybe we'll touch on because we've had a couple of exciting adventures together. But we're in for another exciting adventure. But first, would you mind reintroducing yourself?

Jenny Dempsey: 0:54

Oh, thank you, Charlotte. It is so awesome to be back here. I mean, considering that the last episode that I did with you was in what, January 2020. So so much has happened in the world, in our lives since then. And so to be back and really uh talk about everything is super cool. But yeah, for everyone who doesn't know me, I'm Jenny Dempsey. I'm here in San Diego, California. And my current title, and I say title in air quotes, because we'll get into what that actually means. Um, I'm a brand reputation specialist for a multifamily company. And um basically I also have a furniture business, furniture flipping business on the side. And so I'm kind of across the board now. Didn't see any of this happening in 2020. If someone would have told me that would be my intro in 2026, I would have probably laughed at them, but here we are. Leadership Track In 2020

Charlotte Ward: 1:49

Indeed, here we are. Um, and I've watched your progress, and I know we've been in touch uh in other forums, other channels, other walks of life in the intervening six years. But um, I just recall you having like such a like a really great and personal approach to our discussions. We had a few early in 2020, I think, and you were my very, very, very first guest on the podcast. So um, and I know you came back for a couple of episodes in quick succession, but it's so lovely to see you back, uh, particularly following a

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