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Charlotte Ward •

298: Returning to the Office; with Andrew Rios

About this episode

The office can be a productivity killer or a leadership advantage, and the difference usually comes down to one thing: whether we design the day or let the day design us. I’m joined by Andrew Rios to get real about returning to the office after years of remote work, and what it takes to make that shift sustainable for customer support leaders running busy teams.

We dig into the practical mechanics that decide whether office life works: owning your calendar from day one, carrying over non negotiables like school runs and family time, and factoring in commute time so your week doesn’t silently stretch. Andrew shares how he protects evenings over the long haul even in a role where outages and service interruptions can happen, and why it can take time to build the right rules of engagement.

Then we get into the hard part: getting work done when people can see you. We talk deep work blocks, the hidden cost of context switching, and how “Do you have a minute?” can derail an entire morning. Andrew explains how he sets office norms, sometimes even stepping into a coffee shop to recreate a remote focus setup, and how he turns walk up escalations into coaching moments that build team autonomy over time.

If you’re navigating return to office, hybrid work, or simply trying to protect focus and work life balance in a contact center or support environment, this one is packed with tactics you can use immediately. Subscribe for more practical customer support leadership conversations, share this with a leader who’s struggling with office interruptions, and leave a review with your best calendar boundary.

Transcript

Charlotte Ward: 0:13

Hello and welcome to episode 298 of the Customer Support Leaders Podcast. I'm Charlotte Ward. Today, welcome Andrew Rios to talk about returning to the office. Today, welcome back. Coach Rios. Coach, lovely to see you again. Um, I think um last time we spoke, you mentioned that you had moved on to a new place and you you were back to the office, right? Which is what we're talking about today.

Andrew Rios: 0:47

Yeah, yeah. Hey, Charlotte, thanks for having me back. I figured after a long hiatus, I'd just jump back on real quick and we can continue the talk. So thanks again. Yeah, we briefly touched on that. You know, I think two years ago, the last time we spoke before the previous episode, uh, I was a remote employee in transition as well. And then happened to land at a great opportunity local to my city. And it is an in-office role. Um, and I think after two years, I've I know I've learned a lot, um, things to share with other leaders who are who are thinking about it or who are maybe just started it and are trying to navigate it. And maybe I can uh share a little bit about my experience of navigating that.

Charlotte Ward: 1:27

Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? You know, I think that um when we think about going remote, for so many people that means COVID and being forced out of the office, but then kind of acclimatizing to that and getting used to that and being seduced by working from home and remote work generally. Um and and for me, um, I've been 100% remote since 2004, I think.

Andrew Rios: 1:54

Oh wow, 20 years, huh? 20 years.

Charlotte Ward: 1:58

22 years, 100% remote. Imagine that. Um, I can imagine nothing worse than returning to the office full-time. Um, but I but sorry, but but but I know for many people, you know, since COVID, it's been something, there's been a lure to go back to the office, both a pull from organizations, but also like it being at home doesn't suit everyone. Does it suit me, it's not for everyone, right?

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